i can tell yo from different sources the numbers are above 12. some of them have them as high as in the 20s at this point. injuries and fatalities. we're working here at fox news to shore that up. we want to be responsible in telling you what we can confirm. we also want to tell you because, of course, we're in the world of twitter and everything else, you may be seeing it, that we're seeing the same reports. we're chasing them down. no doubt about it, this is a horrible scene playing out in newtown, connecticut. back to you guys. jon: and as you were just speaking there, harris, we got some information in that at least five children are dead. this has been confirmed by our fox news producers and confirmed by two law enforcement sources, at least five children dead, four adults dead, and the number, again, as harris just mentioned, could go higher. the adult gunman is also dead. the initial reports indicate he drove to that school from new jersey. two handguns were recovered from the scene. the status, the motive here still unknown, absolutely no